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By: Mike Doyle

Mike Doyle — Wed, 11 Aug 2010 09:39:59 +0000

I’m actually thinking of going back to Marina City if I can afford it. I miss living on State Street, even if those buildings are kind of notorious. But Lincoln Square is my Plan B. On your trip, I wouldn’t miss Millennium Park, anything at the Art Institute, and maybe the new transparent Skydeck at the Sears Tower. Next weekend the AIr & Water Show is going on, though it sounds like you may just miss it. Ahem–NO Navy Pier

By: Mike Doyle

Mike Doyle — Wed, 11 Aug 2010 09:36:57 +0000

Thanks for backing me up, kasia!

By: Court

Court — Mon, 09 Aug 2010 18:40:23 +0000

Did you ever make a decision on Lincoln Square? I really enjoyed living there, especially with the great range of grocery stores and eateries…in 2003 there were Latino grocery stores, great Thai places, German delis, 24-hour Korean places, and not too far from Devon Avenue. The downside was lengthened transit rides to work downtown, or friends in Wicker Park, Ukrainian Village. But we paid so much less in rent than our friends who lived in the hipper areas of town.

BTW, I’m heading to Chicago via Amtrak in a couple of weeks. Haven’t been in 3 years. Anything fun to recommend? Will be staying in Logan Square, but I can get around on transit/bike.

By: kasia

kasia — Wed, 04 Aug 2010 13:46:58 +0000

If Dave wanted to protect his employer, his client, and himself, he would have made this comment from someplace OTHER THAN HIS WORK COMPUTER. Duh. One would think that a “social media evangelist” would have a pretty good understanding of how the Internet works, and that things can be tracked very easily back to IP addresses.

Do we know if Dave got fired? Probably not. However, if you find a website called ihatemikedoyle.com, one can only assume who is behind it. If you can’t find the IP address, just look for the telltale terrible writing. We’ll know it’s good ol’ Dave.

I can only assume that this “Sonja” is Dave’s girlfriend. Find her as a guest contributor on the new ihatemikedoyle.com blog.

And as someone in the PR industry myself, I made sure to post this comment from my PERSONAL computer, because guess what… “You’re Never ‘Anonymous’ on the Internet.” I think many people need to learn this lesson.

By: Mike Doyle

Mike Doyle — Sun, 01 Aug 2010 21:02:29 +0000

Yes, I am a snitch. I believe in fairness, not protecting someone else’s stupidity. (And by the way, one comment is fine. Unlike Dave you needn’t troll my blog as you did today to leave this comment in multiple places.)

What Dave did is unethical by the standards of the PR industry, of which I am a part. I contacted NOISE Inc. because I don’t appreciate other PR professionals deciding they can play by their own rules instead of industry best practices. To do what Dave did is not only unfair within the industry, it’s also misleading to other commenters and a potential conflict of interest.

Furthermore, if you think looking up someone’s IP address is snooping, then if I were you I’d be more careful than you likely are with your own tracks on the Internet. Where on my blog do I give anyone an expectation that anonymous comments are allowed? When I ask for an email address to sign in? When I offer people to sign in with Twitter or Facebook? If anyone thinks anyone’s anonymous on the Internet, they should probably Google themselves first. By the way, best of luck at Washington University-St. Louis. Get my point yet?

Dave’s entitled to his opinion, just like you and me. But if you do something as stupid as to misrepresent yourself regarding one of your employer’s biggest clients and get caught doing it, it’s your own fault and you have no one to blame but yourself. If Dave gets fired (and I doubt he will), I won’t lose any sleep over it, I assure you.

Free to talk shit on the Internet, as you put it. But not on my blog.

By: Sonja

Sonja — Sun, 01 Aug 2010 20:38:14 +0000

I posting this same comment again because I really think what you did was wrong. I still can’t believe you “tracked … down via his ip address” someone that insulted you on the internet. Maybe if Dave let on that he had kidnap victims in his basement, or had threatened you with bodily harm, or threatened to harm himself, then tracking down his true identity would have been correct. It’s not just that you tracked him down to return the insult! You tracked him down and proceeded to take actions that may cause him to lose his job! And you don’t feel bad about it, you’re proud of it.

Here’s the repost:

Jeez Mike, you’re a snitch.

As annoying as bad arguers are, the best way to deal with them is to ignore them. Sometimes people that are vitriolic also happen to have good points. It is up to readers to decide whether they want to wade through the rhetoric to find the good points. Most people don’t feel like it, so they skip over the comment. Some people enjoy it. Either way, you are under no obligation to respond to posts you find insulting.

Dave didn’t really do anything wrong, except maybe waste company time. If he had written that comment and signed it as an employee of Noise Inc, then that would have been a mistake. But he didn’t. The only way anybody knew he was a noise inc employee was through snooping. Dave signed his name, he didn’t sign his company name. He did that on purpose. We should be allowed to hang out on the internet and talk sh-t under our own names if we want to.

You might have got this guy fired. All because he insulted you.