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		<title>By: Mike Doyle</title>
		<link>http://www.chicagocarless.com/2008/07/17/chicago-seatless/comment-page-1/#comment-960</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Doyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 04:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While we&#039;re kitching sinking, I&#039;d like someone to explain to me why the CTA needs a Park &amp; Ride facility at Wilson.   Considering that the station sits in the middle of one of the densest parts of town, is surrounded by numerous bus lines in every direction, and has a string of other L stops to the north, south, and west, who is driving here to take the Red Line?  Who would?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While we&#8217;re kitching sinking, I&#8217;d like someone to explain to me why the CTA needs a Park &#038; Ride facility at Wilson.   Considering that the station sits in the middle of one of the densest parts of town, is surrounded by numerous bus lines in every direction, and has a string of other L stops to the north, south, and west, who is driving here to take the Red Line?  Who would?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Salm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Salm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would be ok with no-seat cars but only during rush hour.  So many people stand anyway that inconveniencing another 20 or so won&#039;t be a huge deal.

As for side seats, I&#039;m all for it.  People can move into the center of the cars, and they&#039;ve had them for nearly a decade.  One big note, though, when comparing Chicago&#039;s trains to New York&#039;s trains: New York&#039;s cars are much longer than Chicago&#039;s by at least 10-15 feet in length.  And because New York&#039;s trains use AC electrical, there is no &quot;jolt&quot; every time a train accelerates or slows down as happens on CTA.

Another thing: why does it take YEARS to make a few new train cars?  CTA&#039;s proposal went out in January 2005, (they were approved in late 2006) and it&#039;ll be late 2010 before the FIRST of the new cars arrive?  Boeing can deliver 50 747s and 20 of the new 787 Dreamliners in the same amount of time it&#039;s taken whatever Gepeto, Inc. to roll out even the first train car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be ok with no-seat cars but only during rush hour.  So many people stand anyway that inconveniencing another 20 or so won&#8217;t be a huge deal.</p>
<p>As for side seats, I&#8217;m all for it.  People can move into the center of the cars, and they&#8217;ve had them for nearly a decade.  One big note, though, when comparing Chicago&#8217;s trains to New York&#8217;s trains: New York&#8217;s cars are much longer than Chicago&#8217;s by at least 10-15 feet in length.  And because New York&#8217;s trains use AC electrical, there is no &#8220;jolt&#8221; every time a train accelerates or slows down as happens on CTA.</p>
<p>Another thing: why does it take YEARS to make a few new train cars?  CTA&#8217;s proposal went out in January 2005, (they were approved in late 2006) and it&#8217;ll be late 2010 before the FIRST of the new cars arrive?  Boeing can deliver 50 747s and 20 of the new 787 Dreamliners in the same amount of time it&#8217;s taken whatever Gepeto, Inc. to roll out even the first train car.</p>
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		<title>By: www.thechicagotraveler.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>www.thechicagotraveler.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Doyle at Chicago Carless offers his own take on the CTA’s introduction of seatless eL [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mike Doyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Doyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, I do think CTA should beef up bus service when they can&#039;t run additional trains.

Steve, true, sideways seats are aimed at getting more people on trains.  But it wasn&#039;t only in Chicago where riders who were surveyed said they didn&#039;t want to lose forwards/backwards seats.  Riders in New York told NYC Transit the same thing--that was back when I was the associate director of the Transit Riders Council there.  Just like the CTA, agency managers just shrugged their shoulders and did it anyway.

For what it&#039;s worth, I don&#039;t think anyone should bring their bike on the L.  Take a bus--that&#039;s what the bike racks are for.  The L is too confined a system to have to nuzzle up against dirt-covered tires.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, I do think CTA should beef up bus service when they can&#8217;t run additional trains.</p>
<p>Steve, true, sideways seats are aimed at getting more people on trains.  But it wasn&#8217;t only in Chicago where riders who were surveyed said they didn&#8217;t want to lose forwards/backwards seats.  Riders in New York told NYC Transit the same thing&#8211;that was back when I was the associate director of the Transit Riders Council there.  Just like the CTA, agency managers just shrugged their shoulders and did it anyway.</p>
<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, I don&#8217;t think anyone should bring their bike on the L.  Take a bus&#8211;that&#8217;s what the bike racks are for.  The L is too confined a system to have to nuzzle up against dirt-covered tires.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Vance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Vance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 21:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dude: The CTA doesn&#039;t have any more trains to put on the tracks.

@Mike: Since the CTA doesn&#039;t have any more trains to put on the tracks, they are going to put more people on the trains.

Also, about sideways seating: it&#039;s design is to combat the same problem as right now. Put more people on trains. And sideways seating does that without sacrificing the amount of seats. The seating configuration also puts an extra wheelchair (or bike) space in the car.

I&#039;m pretty sure you know all this, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dude: The CTA doesn&#8217;t have any more trains to put on the tracks.</p>
<p>@Mike: Since the CTA doesn&#8217;t have any more trains to put on the tracks, they are going to put more people on the trains.</p>
<p>Also, about sideways seating: it&#8217;s design is to combat the same problem as right now. Put more people on trains. And sideways seating does that without sacrificing the amount of seats. The seating configuration also puts an extra wheelchair (or bike) space in the car.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure you know all this, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 18:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude has the answer - more trains more frequently at rush hour.  The system needs more parellel tracks to handle it.  

Or we could just bunch 6 buses together and run them down dearborn - that would effectively be a train.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude has the answer &#8211; more trains more frequently at rush hour.  The system needs more parellel tracks to handle it.  </p>
<p>Or we could just bunch 6 buses together and run them down dearborn &#8211; that would effectively be a train.</p>
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		<title>By: Dude</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about more frequently arriving trains, especially during rush hour? Having to wait 10 minutes for a train after work only lets the crowd build up. No seats isn&#039;t the answer, more trains is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about more frequently arriving trains, especially during rush hour? Having to wait 10 minutes for a train after work only lets the crowd build up. No seats isn&#8217;t the answer, more trains is.</p>
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